03 March 2008

What's Wrong with America Part II a : Liberalism

Continuing on my liberalism theme, I'll now talk about socialism. We have in our choices for president of three levels of socialists. The most dangerous I believe is Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton would be next and then John McCain.

Why is socialism bad? I'm glad you asked. It gives little to no incentive for people to work harder. The problem with socialism isn't poor work ethic, it's the fact that profits, ownership, wealth etc. are great incentives for people to work harder. When you take these incentives away, work ethic follows. Now maybe you're thinking, those things (profits, ownership and wealth) are BAD! Taken to excess, I would agree, however there is nothing inherently wrong about striving for success. It is what has made America great for centuries. People from all over the world have flocked here; why? Because of our wonderful social security benefits? No. How about our free health care? Nope. People have come here because if you work hard enough and make the right choices, you can be successful. It doesn't matter who you are, with hard work you can succeed in America.

What does socialism carried out to a more full extent do? It says, 'you are smart enough to work these types of jobs'. It says, 'do your job and you can get a place to live just like everyone else as 'good' as you'. You get so many rations for food (regardless of whether or not that food is available) and work this job for the rest of your life. You don't really own anything. You get the same things whether you work hard or not, so why work hard? Why strive to be better? If you run a store, you will get the same things whether you sell 1 item or 100, so why strive to be successful. If you are a farmer and you give all of the food you grow to the government only for them to give you some rations back regardless of how much you grow, why would you spend time breaking your back working the government's fields? You would just grow enough to keep the government off of your back. Now you might say, 'those people just have poor work ethic', but most people in those conditions will do the same thing eventually.

Now our three candidates aren't proposing the Soviet Union for America. (at least not yet) But they are proposing things that are leading us down the road to hard core socialism. All three have either said they want to raise taxes or (in the case of McCain) have voted against tax cuts. The liberal doctrine says, 'those tax cuts are just for the rich.' Well how many poor men (or women) have you ever worked for? If the rich are taxed higher, they can't afford as many employees, meaning they will spend less money and save more which means less jobs, meaning less people paying income taxes, meaning less revenue for the US Treasury. The very wealthy won't be too affected though, because they can live off of the interest of their savings and investments. If you have $20,000,000 in the bank, the interest is pretty decent money and even though you are paying taxes, you are paying tax only on the interest. You can withdraw all of the interest every year, which is probably $1,000,000, live very nicely and you will always have $20,000,000 in the bank. But you won't invest much money in expanding your wealth because the tax penalties are too high. You sit it out, live off of interest and wait for a more favorable environment to begin growing your business again.

So who suffers? The middle class. Those who depend on their jobs. Those who depend on rich people to create new jobs. Those who don't have $20,000,000 in the bank. The people who have six months living expenses in the bank or less. Why is John McCain the least dangerous? Well his base believes that high taxes are bad. He will be forced to not go too far from the conservative camp, though he likes to do whatever he feels like doing, even if it's spitting in the face of the people who put him where he is.

Hillary Clinton. Though she is further left than she is portraying herself, I think she will be looking to correct the negative legacy of Bill Clinton, and build on what is seen as his strength. She will look to solidify that the Democrats were responsible for the successful economy of the 90's instead of the Republican Congress with their tax cuts and their curbing of spending. Since Bush 43 (and the Republican Congress he controlled) spent money like water, she can probably convince the masses that the democrats are better when it comes to fiscal responsibility if (and only if) she and a Democratic Congress can reign in spending. She will have a hard time, but I think she will give it a shot.

Barack Obama. He is the worst in this area in my opinion. Every time I hear him speak he is talking about money for this, money for that. We already have a massive deficit. We need to STOP spending. Raising taxes will not make up for what we are short, because Treasury revenues will decrease. The only way to fix what is wrong with America is to STOP SPENDING. I'll paraphrase a quote from Warren Buffett that I read once that says something like, "If you are in a financial hole the first step is to stop digging." Yet the liberal mentality is to dig some more with the belief that by digging a little more we can bring in more dirt. Now Obama in my opinion is the most likable candidate. He is certainly the best speaker and that can't hurt when you're following the president who is probably the worst speaker in modern presidential politics. Of the three, he is the only one I could see myself sitting down with and hanging out with. But, I see him following in the mold of FDR and bringing in massive expansions of government, higher taxes, and less freedom. For liberals who are all about freedom, why would you accept bigger government which only leads to less freedom?

To be continued.

80 comments:

Stan Rosenthal said...

Nestor -
> Continuing on my liberalism theme, I'll now talk about socialism. ...

There seems to be a bit of a congetuity problem with post.

Stan Rosenthal said...

congretuity, I meant to type. I still don't know that I spelled it correctly, though ...

Nestor said...

Socialism is a facet of liberalism Stan, and its where the politicians, Hollywood and mainstream media are trying to lead us.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Garbage.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Say Nestor and Reck: I heard something really sweet(/great reductio ad absurdum), listen carefully so I don't have to scream ...




(scroll down)











John McCain rhymes with Saddam Hussain










;-)

Anonymous said...

Excellent post.

A great example of the contrast between socialism (at it's fullest in this case) is the Estonia Piano Co. For decades they made pianos (durin the Soviet occupation) but only were allowed to use Soviet Bloc materials and sell to Soviet territories. Since gaining independence Estonia Piano Co produces perhaps the best made piano in the world.

They now employee many people who in turn spend there money on products made and sold by other people who do the same. Yes, this paragraph is for you Stan, in case you don't *GET* capitalism.

Anonymous said...

Liberals are the true cause of America's poor standing in the world today. While the media and (democratic)politicians make the claim that it is Bush's foreign policy; this is only to give themselves cover.

The true cause of American hatred can be found in the doctine of the cultural left and it's allies in congress. Hollywood, universities and the pop culture that propagate a secular, immoral, self-serving agenda are the real threat percieved by most of the world.

When Muslims speak about a War against Islam, this is the war they mean. This pretty much goes for most cultures as well. If we want to win back the hearts and minds of others (around the world) then America needs to return to the principles of our Founding Fathers...Christian/Judeo values.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Linda, Reck lies/straw mans about me like that, and you think he's my friend?

You do teach your kids to not trust on the internet that hide behind pseudos, don't you?

Anonymous said...

Stan,
I may hafta now *RETHINK* that whole Ruth's Chris steak thing.


(scroll down)



June the 3rd rhymes w/ tune a Kurd...*THINK* about it.

Anonymous said...

roflmao.

Nestor said...

Did I miss something about Ruth's Chris? I've never been. I almost went one time when drug reps were giving a class there. Free food and a boring talk about something I don't really care about. It was a wash, so I chose to spend the time w/ my family.

Anonymous said...

Actually the free food could have been worth the talk! On gbb I asked Reck if he'd been cuz we went the other week. Stan said R should take him for his bday in June, and R said ok.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Help me out here, Reck. All I'm getting at the moment is You Can Tune A Piano But You Can't Tuna Fish (REO?)

Anonymous said...

That was an awesome album.

Anonymous said...

Stan the Tuna Man,
Agree w/ L, that was a good album. Was talkn about albums the other day w/ my kids and got the, "what's an album question".
Made me feel *OLDE*.

Nestor said...

What's an album...it's one of those things you used to put pictures in before you put them on computer right. ;)

Anonymous said...

Hey, I still put pictures in albums! And on the computer. I like that tradition.

Stan Rosenthal said...

So Reck, I see that you're still not commenting on my blog. Are you still afraid about who owns it? You know (or do you), you could always do a 'Who Is' search on my domain (though, the last I checked it still listed my old address.)

Anonymous said...

Stan,

I'll only comment there if you ask me nicely. I am after all a registered democrat now.

Stan Rosenthal said...

So Reck, were you disappointed when all you found downticket from Hillary, were Democrats?

There, I asked you (something) nicely. ;-)

Stan Rosenthal said...

Nestor and Reck, the action seems to be over @ my blog and Doc Steech's blog at this time, FYI.

Stan Rosenthal said...

http://www.rhapsody.com/reospeedwagon/youcantuneapianobutyoucanttunafish

Stan Rosenthal said...

Oops, apparently blogger leaves much to be desired when attempting to post long links. So, since I can't seem to post a direct link, what I'm pointing to you can find by going to rhapsady.com, search by artist for REO Speedwagon, and you should find the Tuna Fish album (by looking towards the *LOWER* right hand side of the page.)

Anonymous said...

I read the comments at Doc's, Stan (haven't made it to your site yet (gotta get to *WORK*). I'll always defend your right to speak BTW.

Nestor said...

I'll be out of town. I'll check in occasionally.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Reck, the feeling is mutual. And you say that we don't have that much in common. LOL!!!!

Anonymous said...

Let's see...we're both Rockets fans, we're both registered democrats, we both defend free speech...OMG, I'm you!

Anonymous said...

As far as not known my first name, I go by my first and middle initials.

Stan Rosenthal said...

I think you go by "recknhavic" (or "Reck" for short).

Anonymous said...

Nope. But if you were to think more "Dallasish" you'd be close.

Anonymous said...

Don't tell me you're D.T. (Dallas Texas). I'm thinkin you'd have to be called delirium tremens by some. (D.T.'s) :) Will you tell us if we guess right?

Stan Rosenthal said...

Linda, he's a Republican't, remember? He's Dollars, Taxes. (now what comedy team did I steal that from) It's all he thinks about. ;-)

Anonymous said...

If you guess it, I'll tell it. And no, it's not D.T.

Anonymous said...

This oughtta be fun. I'll get it eventually. Let's see...how many combinations of 2 initials are possible in the alphabet....

Do I have to guess or will you answer things like 'does it have a J. in it?'

Anonymous said...

My first 2 guesses: L.P or A.J.

Anonymous said...

Ha! Fellin confident are ya? I'll give no clues, but I will answer some questions. One of the letters from your first two guesses is in my name. It is, however, in the wrong spot.

Anonymous said...

Is J the first one?

Anonymous said...

P.S. you just gave me a clue. ;)

Anonymous said...

I think I got it. I was almost asleep...just about to doze and it hit me...

J.R.

Anonymous said...

I get called J.R. and/or J.D. alot, neither is correct.

Anonymous said...

That's funny, JD was my second guess. Why do you get called them a lot if they're not your name?

How bout JP? Have we confirmed that J is the first? I'll apologize ahead of time, but I'll be fairly relentless about this. Not because I have to know necessarily, but it's a challenge now, and it'll bug me.

Anonymous said...

Is Nestor still out of town? I haven't heard from him in awhile. I miss his straightforward, no-nonsence posts w/ an occasional hint of snarkiness.

Anonymous said...

It's J-something. Don't know why people call me J.D. or J.R. so much. Oh, and it's not J.P. BTW.
I predict you'll get it in the next three guesses.

Anonymous said...

JT?

Anonymous said...

Nope.
That's one, two more and you got it.

Anonymous said...

Make that three more.

Anonymous said...

Make that three more.

Anonymous said...

Arg! JB?

Anonymous said...

Ha! Knew that'd be your next guess, but sorry, no es correcto. Maybe now you see why people get my name wrong. Two more guesses (despite missn my clue from dbl post) and you should get it.

Anonymous said...

I don't think this is it, but JC? Or JJ, but that wouldn't make people guess wrong. Ugghhhh..didn't think it would be this hard!

Anonymous said...

Oh man, it's JJ isn't it? "Double post clue?" You double posted on PURPOSE?? It's drivin me a little nutty...

Stan Rosenthal said...

Linda -
> Is Nestor still out of town?

Must be. He hasn't responded on this Police Chase post I posted on my blog (and the post was designed to press his button) -

http://tbsn.thesequencers.us/?p=125

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but still missn your mark (as Stan might say). Actually dbl posted by accident (the clue was w/in the comment, but only if you factor in your preceeding comment). Confused yet?

So, it's not JR, JD, JP, JT, JB, JC or JJ; all good guesses tho.

Nestor said...

How about J(ay)Z? ;)

Well I'm back. I'll probably post about it soon. Will take awhile to get caught up with all of the happenings around here. I tried to check a few times while I was away, but I couldn't spend too much time with it. Anyway, I'll talk to you guys later.

Anonymous said...

Welcome back, Nestor! And Happy St. Patrick's Day...obviously there's some Irish blood there somewhere given your blog name!

Anonymous said...

Oy! Welcome back, Brother!

Anonymous said...

Good grief. May I suggest just going by your first name like most normal people?

Ok. JW? That's 3 more that T.

Anonymous said...

Bingo.

Nice to meet you Linda, I'm JW.

And no, it's not short for John Wayne.

Anonymous said...

Wow. It's nice to meet you, too.

Can I start guessing what it stands for now? ;)

Anonymous said...

Just outta curiosity, how'd you come to using initials? Do you like your first name? Did it start as a kid? I was called LP sometimes in HS and college.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Nestor -
> How about J(ay)Z? ;)

ROFLMAO!!!! That's Beyonce's (what her breasts do (boing boing!!!!)) boyfriend, isn't it?

BTW: since I implimented my new spam catching technique, it's caught 590 individual spam comments. And I guarantee you, it's all coming from 1 (mad/evil) spammer. And it's *extremely* easy to go through the comments to make certain that no legitimate comment was caught up in it, and to delete them. I won't mention what technique I'm using for obvious reasons ... (the same reason I talk about the spammer mainly over here instead of Reck's place)

Stan Rosenthal said...

(that was what, 3 or 4 days ago? Too bad Bleck isn't smart enough to use the tools available to him.)

Stan Rosenthal said...

Reck -
> I'm JW.

So how does going under the pseudo of ReckNHavic (or Reck) somehow equate to going by your (real) initials?

Nestor said...

JW? John Walsh? John Williams? John Walters? How about Jason, James or Jerry?

Anonymous said...

You know, this may be a sign we're runnin outta things to talk about ;)

But since ya asked. Never have gone by my given name, James. Was always Jimmy growin up. When I went to college started goin by Jim (me bein so mature and all then). I'm a Jr. (and my dad goes by Jim) I never did like sharin the same name. One day (for no particular reason) a buddy a mine starts calling me by my 1st and middle initials..JW. It stuck.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Hey Jim, nice to meet you!!!! My name is Stan (short for Stanley.)

I'll dedicate this to you over here than any more populated blogs, to protect your identity, Flash and the Pan: War Games -

http://tbsn.thesequencers.us/?p=125

Stan Rosenthal said...

Reck -
> Never have gone by my given name, James. Was always Jimmy growin up.

You remind me of Jeff/James Dale Gannon/Guckert.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Oops, incorrect link for my dedication to Jimmy. This should be the correct link -

http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=20070128224814809

Stan Rosenthal said...

Nestor -
> JW? John Walsh? John Williams? John Walters? How about Jason, James or Jerry?

My friend, I want you to listen for a similar/synchronis lyric in this tune (if you don't already know what I'm talking about.) IMHO, I know (or have met) most of the people "Genius Al" mentions in this particular line in his infamous song which so well destroys the right-wing lying-type propaganda campaign -

http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=2007030623572571

Anonymous said...

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God."
Matt 5:9

Stan Rosenthal said...

Reck -
> ... the sons of God."
Matt 5:9

I thought that there was supposed to be only *ONE* of those. ;-)

Anonymous said...

I was readin Reck's name explanation and thinking, 'I wonder how long it'll take Stan to call him Jimmy'.

Apparently 58 minutes and 3posts. :)

Anonymous said...

Stan said, "I thought there was supposed to be only one of those (son)."

Scripture says, "For He choose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will.." Eph 1:4-5

Anonymous said...

Nest,
Yours and Stan's blog look different (shrunken). Yall see this or is it just my comput?

Nestor said...

I think it's your computer. They both look fine on mine.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Reck, do the pictures look shrunk as well? Or just the type? I think I recall Linda having this problem before back in the old BleckBlog days.

Anonymous said...

Simple fix, went to "text size". What was strange was it wasn't on every site, just some.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Reck, a site programmer has the ability to use the default text size of the browser, or to specify a specific text size (which explains Y some sites aren't affected.) IMHO you did have the same exact problem that Linda had back in the old BleckBlog days. I'm glad you were able to resolve your problem.

Anonymous said...

Stan,
Thanks for the info bro. I started (awhile back) studing computs to try and catch up on all I don't know (which is alot). Guess I need to get back at it, hard to find the time.

And despite all our "friendly" banter (about religion and politics), I do admire your dedication to your mom and your family in general. Still prayn for yall.

Stan Rosenthal said...

Reck, whilst I appreciate your comments, IMHO you should spend more time apologizing to Jane Fonda than you should waste your time praying to something that may or may not exist.